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A friend recently told me they deleted all their social and forum accounts for no particular reason. They just didn't want to be online anymore. It got me thinking.

The common view of the Internet is that it is a digital mirror of the real world, and the sum of all human knowledge. This is not true.

In the late 1990's Internet message boards were a novel thing. You could discuss various interests online and it was interesting and organic. Now most interaction has been channeled into a few big platforms, and I don't think that is the case today, and it has not been for many years. Outside of some technical topics, I think the Internet has become:

  • Corporate and government(s) astroturfing, probably a great deal of which is generated by AI
  • MLM marketers and cult leaders. (The former is monetized and the latter is not.)
  • Mentally ill compulsives posting variations of the same joke on YouTube over and over.

When I think about the intelligent wise people I know in my life, none of them ever write anything online, and I never find their good advice online, about anything. Instead, I see various cults for health, fitness, money, politics, business, every aspect of life you can imagine, and all of it is very bad advice that has nothing to do with reality. For example, for something as simple as food, there is a cult for eating meat. There is also a cult for not eating meat. Humans throughout history have always had some vulnerability to this type of thinking, but it seems like these things are arising faster than ever before in history, and it is totally drowning out normal organic conversations. One sign is if they have their own made-up terms or acronyms for anything, it is probably all bullshit.

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Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.

The only sources of information I have ever found useful in my life are:

  • Other people I have conversations with in real life.
  • My own intuition.
  • Some books.

I am saying we are going back to a time before the Internet, because the only people spouting their ideas are the mentally ill. In reality, we have probably been there for 5-10 years. Outside of technical information or booking a hotel, I think it is time to turn off the Internet as much as you can. Now is a good time to read some books, pray or meditate, and pay attention to the people around you. Avoid people who seem like they are getting sucked into some kind of ideological framework or health fad of any kind, or at least call them out on it. I have seen this in several people I know in my life.  Having a head full of nonsense is worse than ignorance. By reading the content that is on the Internet, you are not becoming more informed. You are becoming more neurotic.

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The health fad you speak of is interesting because the food that is presented to us by advertisements are not "natural" type of foods. So it would seem odd that a person would call it a fad because it goes against the grain of business advertisements (basically everything found in the isles at grocery stores is not natural food). What most people think is "normal" when it comes to food is really business advertising us from a young age so it seems normal now as adults. If a person suggest eating whole foods all of a sudden they are not normal and fanatics. That's what the modern world has become. If you go against "normal", which normal is fairly bad right now, you're a fanatic cult person. When was the last time you saw a commercial on veggies or whole fruits (not juice), or even chicken breasts (no deep fried from a restaurant) or steak (again not from a restaurant). The foods a person should be eating isn't advertised and in our faces as much as the foods we shouldn't be eating is. Which is insane on the surface but of course it's all about that dollar (capitalism has some negatives to it).

 

I view the internet as a reflection of the real world knowing that most people in the real world are messed up. Or better put, they have different ideals about certain things than "me". It's like thinking everyone is a bad driver because you run into a couple idiot drivers every day. Well there are SO many people on the road that it only takes a couple to make us think this. The reality is "you" were someone else's idiot driver a couple times a year and because there are so many drivers if a couple mess up a couple times a year, we then end up seeing it every day because of the number of people. The internet is the same way. It's the sheer volume of people that even if a person expresses their "different" opinion just a couple times a year, it ends up seeming like a lot of cult members, fanatics, etc because there are so many people doing it a couple times a year yet it seems like a sea of people.

 

Humans are tribal by nature. Our brains do better with small groups. The internet exposes our brains to something that it has a hard time understanding.

 

The above was, of course, my opinion on the matter.

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A low-carb diet is healthy. What I am saying is they start with something valid, but the tendency is for these thing to grow into an all-encompassing belief system.

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The internet is a great garbage dump, I don't know if my comment categorizes me as a mentally ill or an intelligent person. But this for many is like the Greek oracle where everyone finds answers. ( we find ).

So being a big garbage dump, a cult of anything, it's up to you to dig and dig to find information that is really useful. As a fact I just pass by here and share with you what is the development of games, learn and be aware of the new engine, and on the other hand I pass by facebook, to expose my views and complaints about the world situation, politics, environmental problems etc, is like a kind of false power, talk and just complain because I feel that we can not do anything. On the other hand in health issues, going to a doctor is really expensive, so looking for alternatives to have a better health and a specific youtube channel about nutrition has helped a lot.  

The world is in decline, whether we are aware of it or not, the internet is its reflection.  That's just what I think. 

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23 minutes ago, 💎Yue💎 said:

The world is in decline, whether we are aware of it or not, the internet is its reflection.

I don’t mean to pick on you in particular but this is the sort of thing I mean. It sounds like the things you read online are making you unhappy and affecting your life in a negative way.

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Not that they affect, it is simply that you see many things, before it was necessary to go to a library, look for information, take out a medical appointment, the advances imply that everything is easier, now you take out medical appointments by internet, and even for the mascot, all this is very good, people who study by internet by endorsed institutes, knowledge that is distributed for the learning of all. But the counterpart of all this progress also presents something negative, and it is not the technology that is neither good nor bad, it is the essence of the human being who can have a knife to peel a potato or simply kill someone. 

I guess that's just what I think, from the side of the barrier where I get to watch the bullfight. Someone else might be from another point of view visualizing a better prospect of the situation, but it's all based on our interests and experiences, on what we do on a daily basis, to what we have and not access to technology, in the end we are so different that we could very well say that we talk to beings from other worlds.  And do not worry, no offense, is only to expose what we think and in the end, that will only be in that. :)

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I've been thinking about this for a while and not being connected to the internet 24/7 made me realize how messed up people are. I live off of mobile data for internet, and a useable connection is not always certain. When I do use the internet at home, most of the time I'm here talking about Leadwerks with you guys here, sharing what I'm working on with peers, or looking up examples on how to do things. I have a Twitter as another way of sharing stuff, but I'm using it less and less. Think this year I'm just going to delete the app altogether.

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Social media certainly descends into a dumpster fire very naturally. Zuckerberg's idea of bringing the world closer together looks more now like just throwing a bunch of angry animals in a cage together and expecting them to get along. It's like prison dynamics with with escalation and reciprocal escalation based on absurd or arbitrary in-group/out-group distinctions.

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Talking about all this, google deleted my Youtube channel, I can't understand why.  I only had videos of prototypes, I guess as I read somewhere, "The strong do what they want, the poor must endure what they get". 

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On 1/12/2020 at 8:08 PM, Josh said:

It sounds like the things you read online are making you unhappy and affecting your life in a negative way.

I can't agree with this.

As in the real world, there is on internet so much things for all taste. It is so simple: You have to select wjat about you read. There are so much art and other interessant things, you have to dig, dig and dig until you find good things. If you click on the first coming link, you may stay in superficial add, commercial things but come on, I found real people publishing real text on art or building  or philosophic things... Those things are not superficial exposed because non commercial but just dig and you will find. like in a good rpg ;)

That said, it is really a pity that the first things you get access on are not the really good ones. Commercial priorities deform everything in a non-human nonsense. And that everywhere, not only internet.

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I think the issue is things you don't want to see are delivered to you regardless if you actually want to see it.

One of the reasons I limit Twitter and don't have a Facebook.

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What I think, and this does not have to be true, is that the problem is not the technology, it is the human species itself as it perceives it. 

Technology is made to make our lives easier, but like the example of the knife, I can peel a potato, or kill someone. The knife is not the culprit. Humans in their psyches in a normal world must use technology to do good things, to bring about real world human relationships. For example, your family, your friends that you have offline, you met them first in the real world, and therefore you are those relationships with them when they travel far away and you communicate with them and you share photos and all that. But it is not the opposite, many sick people looking for friends in chat rooms, the love of their life and they run a great risk of entering a vicious circle of disaffection filling their lives with likes and there is no lack of perverts who take advantage of that and hurt them.

Now, I conceive the internet as a big garbage dump, and it's up to us to know where to go to find what our interests are.  But being a big garbage dump, many people consume garbage, pornography, and waste their time in vain things. I try to focus on things that I like and have learned, that I certainly would not have learned in real life by not attending an educational institute. 

It usually happens that in this community, for example, you begin to see constants of people writing something about what you are passionate about, and I can cite names as such, and to some extent a relationship is established, but not beyond ones and zeros, and most likely when someone dies, no one will know about it or cry over it.  And I think many have already died.   

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Yes and there is another point, everything is free on internet, you can publish free, you can make a research for free, you can read for free a lot a very big lot of stuff.

The only thing you have to pay for is the internet access 

And everybody want this to stay free. And this has to stay free (because else it would be censured and who want someone to make that?)

But there is a price, a simple price: Garbage (ads, empty messages, pirats, porned sites, bugs and spywares......the long list of ****)

So put a collectgarbage() function in your main() and it runs ;)

ps I have no twitter, no instagram, no facebook only for one reason: Most of this is ****ty. (nothing against people who want to use this, just my opinion ok)

 

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I quit the web cold-turkey, outside of this website and here is what I notice:

  • Movies, music, and games, in physical formats, are very interesting again, like they used to be. I discovered an interesting mod for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. by browsing through game DVDs. I never would have found it looking online because I don't want to search through uncurated piles of trash.
  • The idea of subscribing to a newspaper (Wall St. Journal) or magazine is actually pretty appealing. It gives you a bit of intellectual stimulation in just the right dosage.
  • I have a much much better mood every day.

Digital content delivered over the web results in an overload of information, combined with a race to the bottom in terms of quality. You can see this happening in real-time on Steam. Tool didn't even bother to release a real CD with their recent album, and the album is also really sub-optimal quality. The whole "streaming" thing seems ridiculous to me. Instead of exchanging money for a product, you are giving money so that a computer can be set up somewhere that will dynamically deliver the correct bits to your computer, while their legal team maintains licensing agreements with the content owner, until the day comes that one of those things stops happening.

Yes, just about anything you want offline can be found online, but it's going to be a crappy version of what you could get offline. Streaming movies always freeze up, the sound is bad quality, you might have some weird subtitles you can't turn off. The whole experience is like looking at everything through really dirty goggles. Everything feels poorly put together like it might fall apart at any moment or be taken away.

So although physical media has / is taking a huge hit, it seems like online content is on really a self-destructive path. I would not be surprised if the web turns into a garbage bin of mountains of data no one ever looks at, and owners just start pulling the plug on a lot of stuff. I don't know, but there is definitely something strange happening. I feel like everything in the consumer space has been exhausted and something big is going to change.

It takes a bit of discipline to get through the first couple of weeks but it is so much better. I have the same feeling now that I have not had since the late 1990s. I can't force the rest of the world to do the same, but for my own life I feel like life offline is 1000% better.

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3 hours ago, Josh said:

It takes a bit of discipline to get through the first couple of weeks but it is so much better. I have the same feeling now that I have not had since the late 1990s. I can't force the rest of the world to do the same, but for my own life I feel like life offline is 1000% better.

Not to brag, but again, I've been living with limited access to the internet for 12 years of my life. I only use the internet for my close circles and information on how to do things.

Physical releases are actually still necessary as streaming anything is a horrible experience; stuttering every few minutes and it looking like a JPEG.

One thing I like since a kid was going through the manuals of whatever you bought. Now you most often get one piece of recycled tissue paper with legal information and a website to go on for more information. The thing I will say is that most things that require setup/information is in the actual product. (A TV will tell you how to set it up, a game will tell you how to jump, etc). Still, the paperwork made everything unique in its own way.

So yeah, I still buy physical releases because I kind of have to. I'm more interested in buying a game for my Switch than a game on PC as I have a physical object, and the game is usually ready to go outside a small system update; which is something I can do.

The lack of physical releases is encouraging the "push push" of products regardless of quality. The idea of something "going gold" is mostly a thing of the past with early access and day one patches. Nevermind the "live services" trash that's a part of most games these days.

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Well I think there is a balance to hold between offline/online. 

I don't want to go 100% offline, because fiction feelings that you can approach online is sometimes great, but "no life" Syndrom is nothing too for me.

9 hours ago, Josh said:

I feel like everything in the consumer space has been exhausted and something big is going to change.

I hope so.

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