Bazzite

[Josh]

Writing this on Bazzite. I think it's pretty good. 

[aiaf]

Nice, this means we going to get a linux build soon ?

[tumira]

You can take a look at flatpak format. It supposes to package all your runtime library and etc. Should work with either debian, fedora or arch based os or any linux distro that supports it.

However some distro like ubuntu , you need to enable it to support it (ubuntu have their own format called "snap").  Just install it (in ubuntu based os) by "sudo apt install flatpak" in terminal. Bazzite(and a lot of distro) support flatpak out of the box.

Flatpak got their own "digital store" called Flathub. There are many free and commercial software distributed there. 

I have bought 2d tools called TexturePacker from a website, they have their own software activation, and etc and uses flatpak format.   I am using Linux Mint (which is based on Ubuntu, but supports flatpak out of the box).

[Josh]

Okay, I quickly ran into some limitations when trying to do actual development on Bazzite. It looks like this OS is really just meant to act as a console OS, and doesn't allow you to install software in a normal way. There are pros and cons to that depending on intended usage.

I tried "rebasing" to the developer version of Bazzite, which bricked the hard drive.

My impression is that it's really just meant as an alternative OS for the Steam Deck and desktop usage is an afterthought.

Linux Mint is probably my next stop, although I love the branding, name, and visuals of Bazzite, and that stuff matters to me.

[tumira]

"sudo apt update" is Debian based distro. Bazzite is Fedora based. So you probably need to write "sudo dnf upgrade" . Not sure about the command. Arch based distros (CachyOS, Manjaro) is using different command also.

If you like Debian based (like Ubuntu -sudo apt update style), probably should try Linux Mint. (I'm biased on this. haha). Do not use the "LMDE 7" of linux mint, use the Zara Edition which is stable LTS version.

[Josh]

Mint is still the best, and it feels like they're the only one even trying to make a normal OS for computers. It seems like for everyone else, the actual desktop user is an annoying afterthought. Ubuntu is still chasing the Windows 8 dream of having a big touchscreen on your phone, TV, and computer. (Yes, I know Canonical no longer controls that, but that's even worse because they are allowing their name to be damaged.)

[Josh]

I am on Fedora KDE now. It's got most of what I like about Bazzite, and unlike the Kubuntu and Mint, it recognizes my USB network adapter.

[Josh]

The installer for the current version of Fedora is totally broken, and it's not a rare problem:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-installer-crashes-after-clicking-install-fedora/107228

The solution is...I can't find the thread and it involves modifying a file somewhere, but it worked. At this time, Mint is the only thing I can really recommend simply because it works.

Fedora with KDE is everything I liked about Bazzite, except presumably it's more suitable for desktop usage.

KDE looks substantially better than any other UI out there, and even looks better than Windows.

[Josh]

Well, I got to the point of wanting to trying out some games through Steam, and it's clear Fedora thinks you should not be doing any 3D work on their OS. With Mint it's very easy, other than that you will be copying and pasting tons of terminal lines of code and praying they still work.

I tried Bazzite, Fedora, Kubuntu, and Mint. Although the KDE/Plasma UI is miles ahead of anything else, Linux Mint is the only one that is even trying to make a usable desktop OS. Everything else is just not seriously meant for desktop usage. Even if you can get it working, the longer and more convoluted the process is, the more time it will take when you inevitably have to reinstall the OS and do it all over again, the process will change from version to version, etc.

[tumira]

6 hours ago, Josh said:

Well, I got to the point of wanting to trying out some games through Steam, and it's clear Fedora thinks you should not be doing any 3D work on their OS. With Mint it's very easy, other than that you will be copying and pasting tons of terminal lines of code and praying they still work.

I tried Bazzite, Fedora, Kubuntu, and Mint. Although the KDE/Plasma UI is miles ahead of anything else, Linux Mint is the only one that is even trying to make a usable desktop OS. Everything else is just not seriously meant for desktop usage. Even if you can get it working, the longer and more convoluted the process is, the more time it will take when you inevitably have to reinstall the OS and do it all over again, the process will change from version to version, etc.

 

You could also just install KDE environment in linux mint and use that. The default Cinnamon UI is fine for me.

[Josh]

I am really impressed by how well the game Cyclone works. I just launched it from Steam, nothing special, and it worked perfectly.

[Josh]

It's better than I thought it would be...

[Josh]

Proton could be good for games, but I don't know if it's going to work that well with our editor, because you will often want to open folders in the system's native file browser. And probably other reasons. I'm not sure how I would ever be able to debug this on Linux if it was built on Windows.

[Josh]

Linux Mint is really good. You can actually replace Windows with this.

[tumira]

Is that Leadwerks icon at the panel ? Leadwerks 5.0 ?

[Josh]

Yes, but just because you add a shortcut in the task bar doesn't mean the program works on Linux.